mcconnell, not, you know, obviously conservatives, you know, they are saying, look, we want to make a deal. we have to do this ceiling rise. you have got to take that seriously. but, as congresswoman bachmann said she has a titanium spine here. >> listen, i think she is taking something very seriously which is the fact that -- what she is worried about if you go here, if you raise the limit, if you don't have significant spending cuts, let's talk about what's on the table. >> bill: that's never going to happen. boehner is never going to do it, ever. let's just throw that out. >> hold on, can i just make clear. we are not even talking about right now actual cuts in spending. what we're talking about is future cuts in spending for a the growth of spending. we're not actually like reducing the debt. >> bill: no, no, no. what's on the table. oh. no that's wrong. come on, mary katharine. >> that's not wrong. you are lessening the speed of the future growth is what you are doing according to these plans what we are talking about right now.